The D-bate … and then there were three – UPDATED with video links

November 14, 2015 JanF Election 2016, Featured Posts 17

UPDATED with links to CBS News videos and some YouTubes – scroll to end of post.

Tonight the Democratic Party presidential candidates will debate at Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa.

The debate will be broadcast on CBS and is sponsored by The Des Moines Register, CBS News and KCCI-TV.

The second Democratic debate will be held at Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa, on Nov. 14. It will air from 9pm to 11pm ET on the CBS Television Network. Pre-debate coverage will begin at 8pm ET.
– What: Second Democratic presidential debate
– Time: 9pm to 11pm ET
– Where to watch/listen:
– On TV: CBS television affiliates or on CBSN streaming on Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV, Android TV and Xbox One
– Mobile: CBSN streaming on the CBS News apps CBS News for Android and CBS News for iOS
– Online: CBSNews.com (livestream will include real-time Twitter trends, instant reactions, curated Tweets and other key information)
– On radio: CBS Radio News affiliates

CBS News is hosting the debate in conjunction with CBS’ Des Moines affiliate, KCCI, and the Des Moines Register. “Face the Nation” anchor John Dickerson will be the principal moderator, and he will be joined by CBS News Congressional Correspondent Nancy Cordes, KCCI anchor Kevin Cooney and the Des Moines Register’s political columnist, Kathie Obradovich.

While the Republican field has not narrowed significantly (Walker took a walk and Perry poopsed out – but there are still 8 “major” GOP candidates, 4 “undercard” candidates and 3 who are candidates in name only, no longer welcome on the debate stage), the Democratic primary field has been cut in half – from 6 to 3. Tonight we will see front-runner former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her opponents Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and former Governor Martin O’Malley (D-MD).

We do NOT recommend playing any drinking games if you have to drive and do NOT play any drinking games that include “against it from day one” “lifelong Democrat” “millionaires and billionaires” and “my granddaughter” as it may result in alcohol poisoning!

Here is a rundown of what to expect (besides reasoned discussion and clearheaded answers to actual questions): 6 things to watch at the Iowa Democratic debate

Bernie Sanders has been more aggressive on the stump toward Hillary Clinton lately, but she has continued to be largely deferential toward him, focusing most of her fire on Republicans. That’s because Sanders needs Clinton to falter if he’s to gain ground, while Clinton wants to avoid any scars that might prevent the Vermont senator and his supporters from backing her as the nominee with enthusiasm.[…]

There was a time when [Hillary] was directing her scorn mostly at former Florida governor Jeb Bush, but that was when he was expected to lead the field. While Donald Trump and Ben Carson continue to top the polls, the conventional wisdom now views Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz as the most likely finalists for the nomination. Do her barbs indicate that she agrees? […]

The former two-term governor of Maryland has had little success in breaking through, at least so far. The debate gives him one more chance to make an impression. He’s struggled to register in national polls, although a CBS News/New York Times Poll out this week put him at a new high: 5%. The debate “may be Gov. O’Malley’s Waterloo moment,” says Aaron Kall, director of debate at the University of Michigan.

Tweeters to follow for snarkish commentary:
Kaili Joy from Wonkette

Yr Wonkette

Candidates to follow:

Hillary Clinton

Bernie Sanders

Martin O’Malley

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UPDATED – Links to video
This is the link to the start of the debate, provided by CBS:
CBS News: Democratic Party Debate Begins

These links, provided by HillarySpeeches.com, go directly to the 6 parts. The video appears on the left under the list of links. The far lower left is what is running LIVE on the CBSNews.com video feed. After the break for the commercial, you may want to close the video and open the next unless you want to see CBS News soundbites created from the debate.

Part 1 – Opening / Terrorism
Part 2 – Paying for New Programs / Healthcare
Part 3 – Immigration / Minimum Wage
End of first hour.
Part 4 – Wall Street
Part 5 – Getting things done with conservative Congress / Clinton’s Emails
Part 6 – Dealing with Crises / Closing

One note: you may want to listen rather than view because CBS has chosen to scroll “related” Tweets next to the video, some of them very insulting. It is allowing the Republicans a chance to attack, without any pushback or factchecking, the Democratic candidates during their own debate.

UPDATE 2: YouTube videos of the debate from CBSNews YouTube channel:
Part 1: Candidates address Paris attacks, ISIS (32:15 minutes)

Part 2: Candidates spar on the economy (9:14 minutes)

Part 3: Candidates lay out vision for domestic agenda (8:38 minutes)

Part 4: Heated exchanges over Wall Street, gun violence

Part 5: Race, Clinton’s emails, Sanders’ electability (19:35 minutes)

Part 6: Crisis management and closing statements (7:47 minutes)

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Democratic Party Primary Debate Schedule:

    – October 13, 2015 – Las Vegas, Nevada
    – November 6, 2015 – Rock Hill, South Carolina (FORUM)
    – November 14, 2015 – Des Moines, Iowa
    – Mid-November 2015 – MoveOn.org (FORUM)
    – December 19, 2015 – Manchester, New Hampshire
    – January 17, 2016 – Charleston, South Carolina
    – February 11, 2016 – Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    – March 9, 2016 – Miami, Florida

17 Comments

  2. Thanks for this, Jan. Was barely aware there was a debate tonight, as I’ve spent little time on politics lately.

    O’Malley might have done all right in a different election cycle, but I just can’t get excited over yet another white male.

    We tend to start snoring after 9 p.m., so we’ll watch as much as we can before we conk out.

    • I know that feeling! With the sun going down at 4:30pm, I start nodding off around 7:30!

      I will probably not stay awake for the 2nd hour.

    • I did not watch it live but followed it on Twitter for a while. I watched as much as I could Sunday morning via the CBS video links which are confusing, at best.

  3. Expect to hear about the Paris attacks:

    “CBS News executive editor Steve Capustold The New York Times the team immediately started making moves to shift the debate’s focus when news of the attacks broke during a Friday night rehearsal. The event will now focus more on issues of national security, terrorism, and foreign relations, with questions that will address the Paris attacks.”

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cbs-debate-new-focus-paris-attacks?utm_content=buffer8f8f2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    • Sanders campaign not happy:

      ” According to the rival staffer, Sanders strategist Mark Longabaugh lit into CBS Vice President and Washington Bureau Chief Christopher Isham when the changes to the debate were detailed on the call. “It was a little bit of a bizarre scene. The Sanders representative, you know, really laid into CBS and basically … kind of threw like a little bit of a fit and said, ‘You are trying to turn this into a foreign policy debate. That’s not what any of us agreed to. How can you change the terms of the debate, you know, on the day of the debate. That’s not right,’” the staffer recounted. ”

      https://www.yahoo.com/politics/sanders-aide-pushes-back-against-cbs-switch-to-215805298.html

      • Charlie Pierce is sad as well:

        “So we get a foreign-policy debate in what has been transformed into a foreign-policy campaign, at least for the next month or so. (One thing for which we can all be thankful is that there is not a Republican debate this weekend because the mongering of the war would be positively bloodthirsty.) For decades, it has been argued that a campaign based on domestic policy would favor the Democrats, while the defense and foreign policy portfolio belonged to the Republicans. (From this sprang the noxious “Mommy” and “Daddy” party tropes that critically misjudged not only politics, but the basics of family dynamics.) After the catastrophic failure of the invasion for which HRC once voted, there was a feeling that the easy distinction had been played out. This could be the first critical test of whether or not that is true. ”

        ” The outbreak of hostilities is historically deadly to populist movements. …  The populist call has had its day once again, drowned out, as it always has been, by the beating of the drums.​”

        http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39728/democrat-debate-after-paris/

  4. Opinion and Analysis: Clinton Performs Strongly at Second Debate

    Tonight, Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Rodham Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and Martin O’Malley took the stage for the second debate of the Democratic primary. The debate took place at Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa and was moderated by CBS News and local Des Moines affiliates. The debate began with a moment of silence honoring those killed in yesterday’s terrorist attacks in Paris. Then, the candidates jumped in answering questions about foreign policy, particularly the handling of ISIS, and domestic policies. Overall, the candidates agreed with each other on many issues, but there were some contentious issues including Clinton’s support of the Iraq War, her campaign donations from Wall Street, and Sanders’ weakness with gun control.

    The debate was largely civil and focused on the issues. Each of the candidates took turn attacking the Republicans’ plans and their controversial stance on several important issues including climate change, Planned Parenthood, and immigration. The two-hour debate ended with closing statements, in which Clinton wrapped up by saying, “I’ve heard a lot about me in this debate, and ultimately, I’m going to keep talking about you.”

  6. Opinion and Analysis: ABC – Second Democratic Debate: The Best Lines

    ON WALL STREET

    Clinton: “I want to look at the whole problem and that’s why my proposal is much more comprehensive than anything put forth.”

    Sanders in response: “Not good enough.”

    Sanders: “Here is the major issue when we talk about Wall Street – it ain’t complicated. … Wall Street today has enormous economic and political power. Their business model is greed and fraud. And for the sake of our economy, the major banks must be broken up. … I am running a campaign differently than any other candidate. We are relying on small campaign donors, 750,000 of them, 30 bucks a piece. That’s who I’m indebted to.”

  7. NPR on the clock: The Democratic Debate Clock: Which Issues Got The Most Time

    Banks/Wall Street: 11:18
    Foreign Policy: 9:16
    ISIS: 6:08
    Obamacare/healthcare next steps: 5:27
    Guns: 4:06
    Who pays for candidates’ plans: 3:49
    What experience would you draw on in a crisis? 3:41
    Higher Education: 3:23
    Minimum Wage: 3:12
    Black Lives Matter/race relations: 2:45
    Immigration: 2:24
    Bringing people together/leadership: 2:18
    Refugees: 1:51
    The term ‘radical Islam’: 1:50
    University of Missouri/Protests: 1.50
    Clinton’s emails: 0:56
    Empathizing with enemies (Clinton): 0:43
    Republicans: 0:30
    Veterans: 0:19
    Climate Change: 0:18

  8. D.R. Tucker liveblogged the debate for WaMo. It is a pretty good (and short) recap of the issues and comments. His conclusion:

    10:49pm EST: In his closing statements, O’Malley says that he would represent “new thinking” as President. “There is no challenge too great for the United States to confront.”

    10:50pm EST: In her closing statements, Clinton says that a president must do “all that she can do” to lift up struggling Americans.

    10:52 pm EST: In his closing statements, Sanders denounces income inequality, and repeats his call for a “political revolution” to take back the country from economic elites.

    The Democratic Party as a whole won this debate, as well as CBS; John Dickerson did a very good job as moderator. I think the ratings will be much higher than everyone commonly assumes for a Saturday night.

  9. The Wonkette liveblog:

    20:02

    The debate begins with a moment of silence for Paris. By a moment, we mean about three seconds.

    20:04

    And … then a commercial break already. Great debate so far!

    snip

    20:20

    Hillary Clinton reciting all the names of all the countries, just because she can.

    20:22

    Clinton says we have to help our friends, what a bleeding heart liberal.

    snip

    20:28

    It’s weird. None of the candidates think the answer to defeating terrorism is to say the magic words “radical Islam.”

    20:28

    Question to O’Malley: But if you don’t call it “radical Islam,” how can you kick its ass?!?!?!

    There’s more!

  11. The PPP post-debate polling shows Secretary Clinton “won” the debate:

    -67% of voters think Clinton won the debate, to 20% for Bernie Sanders and 7% for Martin O’Malley. On a related note 63% of viewers said the debate gave them a more positive opinion of Clinton, compared to 41% who said it gave them a more positive opinion of Sanders, and 37% who said it gave them a more positive opinion of O’Malley.

    -Clinton is by a wide margin the candidate debate watchers trust the most on national security issues. 75% say they have the most faith in Clinton on that front, compared to only 17% for Sanders, and 5% for O’Malley. National security issues were a primary focus tonight in the aftermath of yesterday’s tragedy in France, and Democratic voters by far and away trust Clinton the most on that issue.

    -What’s particularly striking is how universal the sentiment that Clinton won the debate tonight is among all the different groups within the Democratic Party. 86% of African Americans, 73% of women, 70% of moderates, 69% of seniors, 67% of Hispanics, 65% of liberals, 61% of white voters, 58% of men, and 50% of younger voters all think that Clinton was the winner of tonight’s debate.

    -Overall among those who watched the debate tonight, 67% say they plan to vote for Clinton in the primary to 25% for Sanders, and 4% for O’Malley.

  12. Post debate opinion: Charlie Pierce:

    There are two options: The option of war might seem a priori to be the swiftest. But let us not forget that having won the war, one has to build peace. Let us not delude ourselves; this will be long and difficult because it will be necessary to preserve Iraq’s unity and restore stability in a lasting way in a country and region harshly affected by the intrusion of force. Faced with such perspectives, there is an alternative in the inspections which allow us to move forward day by day with the effective and peaceful disarmament of Iraq. In the end is that choice not the most sure and most rapid?​

    ​ – Dominique de Villepin, Foreign Minister of France to the United Nations General Assembly, February 14, 2003.​

    DES MOINES—Just thought we all needed a reminder of how right the French were in 2003, and how prescient, and how they were mocked and derided for knowing more about the use of force in Iraq than the cowboys in the Avignon Presidency, and the suckers in the Congress who voted for the war, such as Hillary Rodham Clinton. We need it more than we did Saturday, even, because the same sort of folks who brought us “freedom fries” and derided the French as cheese-eating layabouts as recently as last month—Hi, Jeb (!)—are now fitting themselves for berets, and waving baguettes towards Mecca in a menacing manner.

    Charlie on Hillary’s AUMF vote and hope for a new attitude towards war:

    There remains more than a whiff of careerism in that 2003 vote to go to war that makes her subsequent admission of a “mistake” a little less of an atonement than it should be. Nevertheless, the first 35 minutes were taken up by proposals about how the United States should respond to what is rapidly becoming the perceived existential threat posed by ISIS. The issue was thoroughly explored, and the discussion was blessedly devoid of bombast and of actual bombs, which was another reason to thank Baal that there wasn’t a Republican debate this weekend. […]

    If the game has changed in any way, it is devoutly to be hoped that it changed in that people in the country will assess the new threat posed by the Paris attacks and decide whether they want to govern themselves through politicians willing to engage in serious arguments about policies, or through politicians willing to make fear dance on a string to old and noxious tunes.

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